DonG, I was about to reply to your vlog, but I can't find the video comment button. Hopefully one day... you may try www.disqus.com to set up commenting system that have both text and video. (it is free)
I don't know where to discuss or put this in your discussion... I hope this will not "off point" from your vlog.
About the "logical fallacy", I have see so many of those illogical arguments related to Deaf/ASL community. See? I put two words "Deaf and ASL" next to community for the sake of peace. Americian Deaf is the right concept. or American Sign language is the right concept! Deaf or sign language are not right concept that defines us.
The term "Deaf" alone created alot of problem for us as ASL community and the society.
Here's the example of logical fallacy from Wikipedia:
1. Cutting people with a knife is a crime. 2. Surgeons cut people with knives. 3. Surgeons are criminals.
It happened to "Deaf", especially to many researchers who used the subjects at age between 50 to 55 years old (post-linguistic) for the testing with bi CI and applied to pre-linguistic children. That's illogical argument.
I'm not against CI users. What I was saying is that they did not use visual language should auditory method not working for them. It was hard for me to explain in words. Use both audio and visual at early age then either one is work for that child, so he/she can adopt the language without dump the majority of children who no longer use the audio side and struggled with visual language at later age. They (researchers) used this group to say visual language was not an ideal why? because of low grade level in many areas. that's illogical argument. They adopted visual language much later in their age.
Thank you for your vlog. Ecnarb
DrDonG
· 1 year ago
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DrDonG
· 1 year ago
Hi Brance --
Thank you for pointing me to Disqus. I will check it out and see if I can figure out how to add it to here. I am pretty good with technology, but the coding aspect is not so good for me.
I do not believe that use of "Deaf" alone is or should be a problem for our community. I think using Deaf ASL community makes a worse problem, because it continues to divide those Deaf who use ASL from those Deaf who don't use ASL. I support using Deaf period because "deaf" refers to the medical model while Deaf is for the cultural or Deafhood sense. Paddy shows us that all Deaf people, whether they use ASL or not, have to go through that process of understanding themselves as Deaf people (he calls that process Deafhood). So I want to see us all use Deaf to unite us all -- maybe once we all accept that we are Deaf together, we can start WORKING together. We NEED to WORK TOGETHER so bad!
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I was about to reply to your vlog, but I can't find the video comment button. Hopefully one day... you may try www.disqus.com to set up commenting system that have both text and video. (it is free)
I don't know where to discuss or put this in your discussion... I hope this will not "off point" from your vlog.
About the "logical fallacy", I have see so many of those illogical arguments related to Deaf/ASL community. See? I put two words "Deaf and ASL" next to community for the sake of peace. Americian Deaf is the right concept. or American Sign language is the right
concept! Deaf or sign language are not right concept that defines us.
The term "Deaf" alone created alot of problem for us as ASL community and the society.
Here's the example of logical fallacy from Wikipedia:
1. Cutting people with a knife is a crime.
2. Surgeons cut people with knives.
3. Surgeons are criminals.
It happened to "Deaf", especially to many researchers who used the subjects at age between 50 to 55 years old (post-linguistic) for the testing with bi CI and applied to pre-linguistic children. That's illogical argument.
I'm not against CI users. What I was saying is that they did not use visual language should
auditory method not working for them. It was hard for me to explain in words.
Use both audio and visual at early age then either one is work for that child, so he/she can adopt the language without dump the majority of children who no longer use the audio side and struggled with visual language at later age. They (researchers) used this group to say visual language was not an ideal why? because of low grade level in many areas. that's illogical argument. They adopted visual language much later in their age.
Thank you for your vlog.
Ecnarb
Thank you for pointing me to Disqus. I will check it out and see if I can figure out how to add it to here. I am pretty good with technology, but the coding aspect is not so good for me.
I do not believe that use of "Deaf" alone is or should be a problem for our community. I think using Deaf ASL community makes a worse problem, because it continues to divide those Deaf who use ASL from those Deaf who don't use ASL. I support using Deaf period because "deaf" refers to the medical model while Deaf is for the cultural or Deafhood sense. Paddy shows us that all Deaf people, whether they use ASL or not, have to go through that process of understanding themselves as Deaf people (he calls that process Deafhood). So I want to see us all use Deaf to unite us all -- maybe once we all accept that we are Deaf together, we can start WORKING together. We NEED to WORK TOGETHER so bad!